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Post by torch on Apr 12, 2007 19:01:11 GMT -5
Well, here goes..
I was reading the reviews in the Capitol Records contest and of course, this sort of helps some of those out to get an extra look-see-listen. Cool. Then I see someone's review..love ya Trevor..but CRIKEY!..could you give others a chance to have a look-see-listen? TWICE for Regina, TWICE for..or was that three times for Sacha? Skacha? Dear me..SO many..last looked 300++ entries! Whew! Which brings me to the review by, um, it was rather lengthy...yeah, Roxie somebody..sorry for this short term memory! After reading it, she/he made some good points about this contest as well as others.
When I went to check out the latest entries, I was REALLY disheartened to see THREE entries in a row from a young boy and noticed another from a young girl. I guess this is the 10 year old that was referred to? The contest is for those 18 and above. NOT for children, NOT for blank entries, NOT for a cappella and NOT for those from Canada or anywhere outside of the US. I know this is frustrating for those that DO live elsewhere as I'm sure it is for those that are in the military and living on military installations. I couldn't make sense of it either when reading the rules again if that meant a base HERE or outside of the US. I would guess it is the latter.
This Roxie has (I think) a valid point regarding the FAIRNESS in the face-offs in this contest. Maybe LEONARD could shed some light on this or even MIKE! If you are having to face off with a child that isn't even eligible, how is this fair in ones placement or voting? Facing off with a blank? I've seen this in other contests as well and of course, you, well, I'd THINK you'd choose the actual entry which would come up as "100% agree with you" which really, if the vocals aren't the greatest...Am I making any sense? Facing off with someone not from this country and who will be disqualified as the others mentioned above, this will affect the total outcome? I would think so. So, why are these entries allowed to go on in this contest? If someone wants their child to be heard or someone wants to "make it" from elsewhere, then you need to get a promo package together, maybe contact an agent, book a flight or move to Nashville!
With entries as they are now, it is GROSSLY unfair to those who ARE LEGITIMATE residents, ARE 18 and ABOVE, who HAVE A VALID entry WITH music! I believe that the entries that do not qualify, SHOULD COME DOWN! PERIOD! Gosh, the more I go back and have another look at the review, it makes total sense.
As for me, yeah, I'd LOVE to have a second chance. Maybelle Carter was over 50 when she came on the music scene! Yes, indeedy do this is true! I have more realistic ideas about my chances. Great singers are a dime a dozen and that is proven just in the talent we've seen here at Bix. (That probably didn't sound right but hopefully you know what I mean!) Everyone for the most part has a regular job or is a stay at home wife and so on. And there are others that make a living at music or want to. So, for those and some of the others in this contest, shouldn't the way be clear for them to HAVE that fair chance?
If invalid entries remain or continue to be put up, I'm afraid that the likes of Jerome, Technik, Kathy, Hillbilly, BobbyD, MelissaKY, Starlew and others with absolute talent will not have a truly fair shake at this competition!
Does anyone else feel this way? Rules are rules and in this case, they are NOT meant to be broken!
Is anyone listening to this BIX/YAHOO/CAPITOL RECORDS?!?!?
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Post by shell77 on Apr 12, 2007 22:37:19 GMT -5
Great post! ^^^
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Post by Bix Team on Apr 17, 2007 11:56:14 GMT -5
Hi Torch, no entry that violates the rules will be eligible to win. All potential winners are required to sign an affidavit attesting to their eligibility. Please flag any entries that violate the rules or are blank. Thanks! Leonard
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Post by stevenpatrick on Apr 24, 2007 4:35:01 GMT -5
I couldn't agree with you more torch......I would really hate to find out that i missed the call in this contest and got bumped off by 1 lousy vote due to an invalid entry ........ good post :-)
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Post by peterpeter on Apr 25, 2007 13:38:44 GMT -5
There may be a good intermediate approach to this. Firstly, manual post-processing of winning entries may be inaccurate and hopefully, purely a patch for the time being. And viewing the overall results with the invalid entries still in there can be somewhat skewing to perceptions.
Can we propose the following:
1. manually process all the current entries to figure out which ones are invalid and place all the invalid entries into a new contest - so people just don't lose their entries if they were just deleted.
2. Bix injects an acknowledgement page between the "enter this contest" and "search for a song" page, where the user has to acknowledge the conditions: 18 years older, U.S. resident, etc..,
Currently, there's only a few hundred entries, but in the near future, you may be looking at a few thousand. May be time to be proactive.
-Peter
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Post by Bix Team on Apr 25, 2007 19:46:18 GMT -5
It is good feedback. Thanks Peter!
Best, Leonard
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Post by musikman189 on Jun 30, 2007 9:13:34 GMT -5
It seems that alot of people are up in arms about how difficult it was to vote through all the entries in the capitol records contest. I know my brother came and voted for an hour and never got to one of my entries and my wife only got to vote for me because she had a baby and went on maternity leave. I think the results turned out really well but that one flaw seems to have put a damper on things for so many. In a contest where so many entries are expected I wonder if there's not a way to deal with that. Could the face offs somehow be set up so that when you go to listen to an entry and click vote you are brought to a face off with that entry and 19 random entries and you have to place them all. Like a 20 entry heat. Only when you finish that heat can you go on and choose your next song to vote on and it gives you another random 19 to vote along with it. So you would end up with multiple lists of 20 songs top to bottom. After so many heats it will give you a set with the top 5 in each heat to rank in a new heat. Maybe that's too complicated for the website and has too many variables but it was an idea.
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Post by Kathy on Jun 30, 2007 11:09:17 GMT -5
When face offs started, those of us who were here...raised all sorts of sand! Lots of people on my fan list, quit the site about that time. Bix is not going to allow you to just go in and pick someone, that would be the same as thumbs up and they want and need those page hits to make the site "worth" it. All of the major or money contests will be face offs. Any contest Bix sponsors, is going to be face offs. I have the same problem, my family and friends arent going to take time to wade through all those entries, they cant afford it. When it all started, we raised sand for real. They find tuned buttons and viewing but the face off voting hasnt changed and it wont. There are a good many posts in t his forum and were LOTS on actual contest pages. We had about as many in the last 50k contest. There were at one time 1160 entries in the semifinals audio contest. The top five were entered into the finals from the audio and video contests. bix.yahoo.com/contest/219 it was thumbs up. Was much easier to get people you knew to v ote for you. But even in that one, the winner only has 225 votes. Out of 7214 views. The day the contest ended I had 164 votes, but once they did their "audit" I had 120. Everyones votes changed because of cheaters. When this contest ended there were 1330 entries, Id love to know where the others went since once a contest is over the user cant delete the entry.
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Post by musikman189 on Jun 30, 2007 11:24:09 GMT -5
I agree Kathy, I think Face-offs forces you to not just vote for your favorite but vote on them as compared to someone. I just thought that if there was a way to allow you to pick one of the entries and then vote on them in a smaller subset of face-offs it might make it so people who don't usually come to Bix would be more willing to come and vote giving more exposure to the site and contests which is the whole idea. It just seems that there has to be a way to make the whole process less daunting. I really think the results turned out rather well considering. I know alot of people are upset about Steven Patrick not making the fifty but Steven doesn't seem to be the one up in arms about it. I thought the Face-offs were a good way but I wasn't able to keep up either and at one time early on I was the top voter. Then the baby was born and I've spent alot of time changing diapers and shoot when I wasn't, I was looking atand entering other contests too. I just feel bad that so many people are upset, I hate conflict. Maybe I should be upset too. I didn't make even an alternate, but you know I'm not. I had fun. I have gotten to interact with alot of cool people on this site and it just makes my skin crawl to see so many of them so upset.
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Post by Kathy on Jun 30, 2007 14:52:42 GMT -5
Im not upset about the results as much as I am that these complaints arent knew. If Bix goes back to letting us vote for just who we want, their page site hits are going to go down drastically which will make it look less successful. Not a good thing when you get bought but a HUGE internet presence. They work hard to keep sponsors and keepin this site free to the user unlike many other sites now. I hate that others are upset. I really try not to be but I'm just spoiled to having so much great support! haha we have lots of new blood and ima old has been! LOL was bound to happen! Bix will do something to make people feel alittle better. My only gripe is how my Please has more top ten lists listed than some of the ones considerably higher up the liste that 364. Unless people just said i was in there top ten ...That would have put that song MUCHHHH farther up the list. My unchained melody which i had JUST entered...was Much higher up the list, Im thinkin because the few who actually found it in the face offs, were up to par with unseen entries and and wasnt voted on much and farther down. I dont like conflict but Bix knows I will say what I think and its usually in response to helpin other bixters because I love the site probably more than most!
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Post by torch on Jul 12, 2007 22:14:39 GMT -5
Boy..oh..boy..BIX!! YAHOO!!! Ya'll GOTTA do SOMETHING and SOMETHING SOON about this and other contests!! I know I am a guilty party of giving up on the face-off voting in the Round One part of the contest...but NOT in ROUND TWO..betcha bottom dollar!! Have been there and in my Top 10..as so many have mentioned in comments..sure don't know how some of my choices got there!! I know it is the Top 50...I am guessing the 50th person is holding out or is Bix/Yahoo doing it's thing..like referees standing on the sidelines waiting to see how many WRESTLERS ARE COMING OUTTA THE BACK AND INTO THE RING AND A FREE FOR ALL STARTS?!? Or is there a hold out thinking they will better their chances?? Not with the alleged allotted 50 entrants! I STILL cannot see why contests, especially such coveted as the Capitol Records prize cannot be ONE VOTE PER PERSON WITH ONE BIX ACCOUNT! You already have people having to sign up ANYWAY for the face-offs but you'd have MORE participation in the ENTIRE site if people were able to come on, VOTE ONCE..then go to OTHER contests..VOTE ONCE there..and even enter their OWN audio or video!!! THEN..they can get back to the REAL world! You had over ONE MILLION people come to check out the contest..SUCCESS..YES!!! And over 1129 entrants...MORE SUCCESS!!! **NOTED: The VOTE NOW button was taken away so even if it didn't count before...REALISTICALLY...you are not going to continue to have people come, sit, wade through entries to vote for ALL that they think are worthy of a vote!!** CRIKEY!! One guy above (sorry don't have the name musikman?) said his wife had to have a baby and go on maternity leave to get through the first round!! Could be he was being funny..very, I thought..or it took LONG HOURS OF LABOR..that is what is starting to happen..people LABOR ALL DANG DAY LONG AT JOBS, SCHOOL, MUSIC, MUSIC, MUSIC, JOBS, SCHOOL...you would think they would want to have some PLEASURE when coming to this site!! YES..they do get pleasure in some way but even LONG HOURS OF LABOR AT THE COMPUTER AND NO PAY...come on, ya'll!! And now we can say on the otherhand..there are MANY who are getting exposure that might not have had such. That's got to count for something. Just as people get tired of getting a busy signal when calling on phones from home...and hang up. So will people tire of this voting system that seems to get them nowhere and NOT the person that they are liking the most! THINK SIMPLE! Go to their favorite..vote ONCE..okay..let them have THREE votes maximum..or TWO...but CRIKEY..when they LIKE someone..LET THEM SEE THAT THEIR EFFORTS ARE PAYING OFF FOR THEIR LONG HOURS OF LABOR AT BIX/YAHOO! You don't want this to turn into Bix/Ya...WHO? do you?!??
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Post by Kathy on Jul 13, 2007 10:54:07 GMT -5
the faceoffs are here to stay torchie! each time one person comes and choses one of the two...the site calculates two hits. so for every one actual hit you get two. and if you have lots of people clicking away and going through 100 clicks to get to theone they are looking for..the site registers 200 hits. Ther are not millions of people listening to bix. its just the appearance of millions of people ...make sense. And that..is what got the site worthy of purchase by a major web presence. I loved it best here when it was a down home operation and the people who worked it were really there for you...dont get me wrong I still like it....but its starting to get tedious. Im thinkin about concentrating my time at another site that doesnt have contests and going back to just enjoying singing.
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Post by Bix Team on Jul 17, 2007 21:18:55 GMT -5
Hi Kathy, I understand your frustration. The hard part of us is that when we switched from thumbs up/down voting to faceoff, we got more than 20X the number of votes. In a contest it is so important that you get enough votes across enough entries to give the best talent a real chance to win. We'll keep trying to make the experience better, but in the end we feel the most important thing is that the best talent can win.
Best, Leonard
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Post by torch on Aug 1, 2007 15:30:22 GMT -5
Well, Leonard that would be ideal if that were the case... "In a contest it is so important that you get enough votes across enough entries to give the best talent a real chance to win. We'll keep trying to make the experience better, but in the end we feel the most important thing is that the best talent can win." With some of the recent contests ending in the last few days...one must question that theory when you see that some REALLY HORRIBLE so called singers are coming out ahead of REALLY GREAT singers!! Not saying that about the winners but when you hear Singer D come ahead of Singer A by 220 votes, you really start questioning the integrity of the voting system. While voting in a recent competition, the EXACT same two people came up in the exact same spot right in a row!!! When I read someone's comment about how they couldn't help their Number One spot in their Top 10 being bumped due to someone pulling an entry and re-entering yet a third entry...more questioning. Something is afoul. "....no entry that violates the rules will be eligible to win. All potential winners are required to sign an affidavit attesting to their eligibility. Please flag any entries that violate the rules or are blank. Thanks! Leonard..." This was in response to the Capitol Records contest 1st round...even though those that were flagged as they are KNOWN to be NOT US residents..yet, still they were, still up there when the contest ended. It makes me wonder that the 51st or 101st person could have been the 50th or one of the Alternates. Why did the many other folks of Bix take so much time to flag when not a thing is being done? Another member contacted me to find out how to report an image of a young child whose "intimate areas" were being shown. She'd flagged the entry but saw that nothing had been done about it. I suggested she writing a letter. This is of course a much more grievous situation. Even Dunagan Red was going through the entries of a contest for BEACHWEAR AND NO NUDITY OR SUGGESTION OF, NO THONGS, NO LINGERIE...why bother if it is not being done? In the recent KaraokeScene Video contest that ended the 31st, there was a child entered under her mother's user name. She was singing the Alphabet Song and was maybe four years old. Under your Terms of Service, she is not eligible. I flagged that entry yet it was not removed. How fair is that to those kids who entered other contests and had to have their entry pulled? Not fair to them. If you are going to allow kids that are under your age limit then perhaps there should be contests geared especially JUST for children! I would think that would cover children up to 18. I found a girl who can't be more than 12 who had entered a provacative picture in a contest where there was more than enough exposure on the so called 'mature' level. I flagged her but alas, nothing was done. Right now there is a very important project www.redgreenproject.com where many of the talent here have written music and are all available on a CD...ALL FOR THE SAKE of preventing child abuse and child murders. Child abuse comes in many forms. I suppose I have vented enough! Thanks for listening, Leonard! MY best, Torch
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Post by wowposter on Sept 8, 2008 7:53:04 GMT -5
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